December 4th 2021 Eclipse and "The Eagle and The Lark"
At 7: 34: 38 UT December 4th 2021 a Solar eclipse will happen. According to the book "The Eagle and the Lark" the solar eclipse belongs to Saros cycle 5 New South which Starts: July 14, 1787, 2314 GMT South Pole.(Page 370-371).
To Understand an Eclipse we need to interpret the chart for the beginning of the cycle, which has been interpreted in the book. The point is that there was no eclipse on July 14 1787.
According to NASA the Dec. 4th eclipse belongs to 152nd Saros Cycle Starting July 26th 1805.
Also there is no record of any eclipse happening on July 14, 1787.
Wikipedia not being a reliable source I also checked NASA's eclipse lists and Star positions Calculated by Starry Night Pro Plus Version 6, which you can find a view of the sky from Mexico on July 14 1787 attached.
Since @ernst mentioned this book on a video more than a year ago 4 eclipses have happened which the book has miscalculated the beginning of the cycle for 2 of them.
(See my previous post on the subject : https://astrology-videos.com/forum/rahu-ketu/eclipses-2/paged/2#post-5404 )
I think these miscalculations occur because it's hard to calculate the position of the Nodes. For example on July 14 1787 Starry Night shows that Ketu is around 28 Gemini while Kala calculates it around 5 degrees cancer.
Calculation of the nodes is a complex matter maybe for an other discussion. The point is that the calculations and as a result interpretations of "the Eagle and the Lark" are not reliable at all. Unless I've been mistaking and some one will be kind enough to point out my mistakes.
Yes, i noticed that as well. I am about to hit the road again and so I cant look into this at the moment. Calculate the chart for 1787 and see if it is actually an eclipse or not.
Most software do not give accurate planetary posititions for older dates. the only reliable engine for that is the swiss ephemeris which is what we use in kala. So I don't think you can trust the starry nights.
Hi Ramin, of course the visibility of an eclipse depends deeply on the place of observation. in the horoscope the values for the planets stay the same, but this does of course not mean, that the picture is the same everywhere.
so an partial eclipse (eclipse-cycles start either on the north or south pole as a partial eclipse) at the south pole pretty sure isn't visible neither in the UK nor in mexico. thats why we eclipse chaser fly around the world to spot eclipses.
with Kala I get the same values as you, (for 90S00 and 00E00). the eclipse limit is 17°. Sun is at 22:17 Ketu with 5:11 is at the border of this limit. so the eclipse would have been pretty brief (maybe only a few seconds). the moon hardly only scratched the sun. this is how it is supposed to be at the beginning of an eclipse cycle. It most likely may have gone completely unnoticed for the public (if there is any in 1787 at the south pole in the hour before midnight....... - so thats why there may be no report/observation)
the starry night picture may be accurate as well. so much further north the visual axises won't match any longer. at the south pole nevertheless there was a brief eclipse.
the naming of 5 New South is the personal naming of bernadette bradey (the author of the book). this never was the naming of NASA for saros-cycles. so no contradiction here.
the eclipse NASA takes as starting point for the eclipse cycle is 18 years and 12 days later, which is exactly a saros period. So my idea is, that bernadette bradey took the astrologically possible first eclipse of this cycle, which wasn't really visible at all, while NASA takes the second eclipse of the cycle, which was the first visible one (Su at 2:47 Leo and Ketu 16:28 Cancer, which gives 13:41°, which is much more within the "orb" of 17°). the NASA eclipse should show up in bradeys list of the 5 New South - does it?
so I don't see any real contradictions here.
I have found some other mistakes in the book "the Eagle and the lark" as well;
Please check on old post of mine on the matter :
This has caused me to double check the calculations for every Saros Cycle I read in the book.
I do understand why Bernadette Bradey has taken the Beginning of this Saros Cycle to be at July 1787, specially because the end of the previous Saros Cycle was on 15 June 1787, but is it ? Did it actually Happen? if not is it important astrologically for the eclipse to be visible at the pole even for a brief moment or not?
these are the questions I have now answer for.