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TamaraP
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Hello Ernst,

I need to ask if the presence of a separation trauma with the Moon can be there just by Saturn/ Rahu aspect even if Moon doesn´t have any bad Avashta? My case: right after birth I was kept during 8 weeks in hospital. I had hip dysplacia on both sides which kept me fixed during one year. My mother could only visit me very few times in hospital. I was a very enraged kid and my mother put me under cold showers because she couldn´t manage my emotional outbrakes. When I was three my mother separated from my father and we left with her and my stepfather who was very authoritarian with a system of punishment when I used to say "No".

I have the Moon and Lagna in Aquarius facing Saturn in the 7th and Sun/Mercury/Rahu in the 10th. Mars is in Cancer. Venus in the 9th in Libra. 

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Its the moon starving saturn. The authoritative extremes would be the shamed mercury in the 10th.  Thats tough, great thing that Saturn has Dig Bala and so you are moving past all that. 

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@ernst i kind of discarded the Moon starving Saturn aspect in my mind.  The Starvation is up to 36.1 points but no delight on Sa. Thank you!! I didn’t realise that separation trauma can been seen also coming from Moon to Saturn. Yes, and Saturn definitely becomes stronger in a good way throughout the years! 🙏

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yes, if moon is starving something than that person had experiences in the first year that taught them to want what they dont have. 

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@ernst moon starving "something"?

so just to clarify, Moon starving anything... Mercury, Venus or Saturn, or even those planets in Cancer, gives the experience of wanting something you don't have? or just Moon starving Saturn?

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hi @silvia I think Ernst meant anything... because when the moon is looking to planets that dont like his aspect or whatever, Mercury, Venus or Saturn, the person is craving things in a way that those planets can't satisfied and I think thats what he meant by "...to want what they dont have." 

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@silvia just moon starving saturn.

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@ernst does Moon in the 12th have the characteristic of separation from mother too? Thank you!

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no, not by itself. But if there is any separation on it or its lord or cancer, then its much more worse. Otherwise there will be some less tiem with mother but it wont lead to trauma. 

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@ernst thank you!!

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@ernst in a chart of a 18 year old today, Moon is conjunct to Jupiter and Mercury. In 10:50 degree of Scorpio in the 12th house. Moon itself is delighted by Jupiter and Mars to the max. But Moon starves Mercury to 60 points.  The person said that in his first year he often had to be separated from his Mom due to health issues and stayed in hospital. Additionally his mom could not really be there for him because she was always busy with other things. He stayed much with his Grandma where he used to play alone without any companionship. When he was round 9 his Mother admissioned him into psychiatry more or less to get rid of him. I think there is a lot of isolation as indicated by the 12th house.What else could reflect the early separation trauma of the Moon? 
Luckily Jupiter delights Sun, Moon, Mars and Jupiter to each nearly 60 points. 
Saturn is starved in Leo. Overall all planets have average to very good Dig Bala. I found him very developed in mind and also spiritually for his age. 

But I am insecure regarding where concretely the indications of the separation from age 0-1 are to be found. if there has to be more than the 12th house and a dark Moon in Scorpio…is it the Moon starving Mercury then?

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Moon starves mercury and so in moon age there is separation trauma in first year, always check what the moon is starving. ALos, check moon's lord. At 9 there is more trauma thanks to mercury age and mercury being shamed by moon. Jupiter is the grandmother doing its best to help out. 

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