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insights on my mothers rahu/saturn conjunction in 4th bhava

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lis
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Very excited to say I may have FINALLY found my mums time of birth after years of trying to figure it out! Based on what her chart looks like now with the time of birth it makes a lot of sense. She has saturn conjunct rahu in the fourth house. I know after learning about rahu conjunct saturn it makes total sense in her life the way things have played out. But now learning it's in the 4th house it makes extra sense!

She was placed in the foster system when she was a baby and didn't go back into her mothers care until 5/6 i think. During her stay in foster care she experienced lots of abuse of every kind. Her mother also experienced lots of abuse throughout her own life and during her pregnancies. And throughout my mother's entire life she has experienced abuse - since I've been alive it's mainly been domestic abuse - which is a 4th house matter I'm guessing (domestic life)? But yeah it's just so interesting to me to see it all from an astrological perspective. And to expand on that she has found it extremely difficult to move into the rahu jungle. She's been very codependent on toxic partners and drugs throughout her life. She's hitting 55 soon and I think she's slowly but surely starting to overcome her demons. The conjunction is at a 2 degree orb so saturn is also the planet that's closest to rahu. 

Relating to the fourth house some more - She has also struggled to provide adequate security to herself and children in the form of housing and overall wellbeing in general. It seems that she struggles to really go out into the world and fight for what she needs, she'd literally rather stay in a far less than ideal housing/safety situation and pretend to be comfortable there 😶 she's also a slight hoarder and a taurus sun hahaha 

I'm not completely familiar yet with how to figure out the strengths of dispositors, but her rahu/saturn is in aries, ruler/mars is in gemini and ruler/mercury is in gemini (mars & mercury in the 6th house). Mars highest aspect is at 36 and it's from the moon, mercurys highest aspect is at 57 and from saturn.

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Silvia
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Hi Lis, those are indeed very difficult placements, having astrology to make sense of it is very healing, I think, I'm glad you found the time of birth.

I can give your a few more details if you want...Saturn is starved (and debilitated) in Aries, so RA+SA is a tough combination to have there; Aries is about starting things, initiating, so that's one of the reasons she's blocked.

Also, Mars being starved in Gemini, with Mercury strong, hurts her capacity to initiate even more. Mars is the fighter, with Mars starved we believe that not even our willpower could change things, so we just stay the same, it's almost like defeating yourself before trying; and it's all in our head, cause Mars rules concepts... an effort (energy) from our part will always make a difference, no matter how small. 

Also Mars rules housing and real state, so if Mars is afflicted and the signs of Mars are too, in this case Aries, housing becomes a problem. 

her 2nd Saturn return could be an important time for her 

take care 

S.

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lis
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@silvia Thanks! That was very interesting to learn 😀

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I am glad you shared this Lis because this is a perfect example of a situation where we must ask "How can she enter the Rahu jungle?".

I am addressing this question and post to Ernst as well. Hopefully we can get insight into how to do what we can with these more complicated situations!

Well, we have to develop the qualities of, and embrace, the rashi that rahu is in, according to Ernst. And Aries, as you said, is about initiating things, and being ruled by Mars and the exaltation of the Sun, is about developing kshaitriya qualities and fighting for the right to be your self, using your willpower and logic to solve your own problems, and being active and ambitious.

But ... her Rahu jungle also includes Saturn, only 2 degrees away. And we have to embrace and develop the planet qualities that Rahu is conjunct as well. Unfortunately, Saturn is about waiting, resting, and being a patient humble servant who is content to just take care of basic, simple unflattering jobs. Saturn is also about letting go. Saturn is very much the opposite of Aries and its qualities, which she also still theoretically has to develop.

Aries is definitely not a "servant" type, and it is not about letting go and resting. But Saturn is starved and debilitated so it needs even more strengthening and healing than usual. But... so is the starved Mars, Aries lord.

So Ernst, how does she simultaneously develop both Aries and Saturn??? It seems that her destiny is trying to rip her into opposite directions with no clear "path" or singular direction to help. Is it about becoming better at both Aries/Mars and Saturn and then learning WHEN to use each opposite complementary quality?? (I'm sure we should not expect wonderful things to happen in a bhava that contains both Rahu and Saturn, especially if that Saturn is also debilitated.)

It seems like a situation that cannot be improved by just simply using the mind to try to change things, other than maybe developing the healthy habits of both Mars and Saturn and knowing the right times to use them for the right purposes? By hearing the inner voice beneath the clash of these incompatible forces?

Lis, maybe Hanuman could help her, as he has been linked with both Mars and Saturn and managing both those planet's energies. Hanuman also helped Rama rescue Sita from an abusive relationship. There are plenty of simple Hanuman mantras anyone can pronounce, and images, murtis, yantras, etc. Perhaps with her swahstha Mercury she may have luck with mantras. She could also listen the the Hanuman Chalisa, of which their are many high quality renditions freely available on youtube. Their are also chants and prayers to Skanda, Varahi, and Bhumideva, etc. for strengthening Mars and establishing and securing a home and land.

Goddess Durga could also help with protection and fighting the abuse and demons she experiences.

Perhaps she also could meditate on the root chakra. Saturn's rashis are in the root chakra, and mars is exalted there (Capricorn). The root chakra is about security and survival and is probably blocked or drained. The symbol of the earth element and the root chakra contain a square. And a Tamil yogi I used to watch suggest keeping squares around, gazing a square, drawing squares, visualizing the square shape, etc. for improving an afflicted 4th house. For stability and security, comfort and contentment.

Deities and geometry bypass the conscious mind and ego. So do stones. I don't think there are magenta stones with Saturn's crystal structure, but a naturally blue topaz could help with Mars in Gemini. But naturally blue topazes that have not been treated and irradiated are much more rare and are a very pale color of sky blue or cyan/aqua. Avoid those irradiated London blue and Swiss blue topazes. They can be toxic.

Maybe fasting or observing a strict diet can help improve both Mars and Saturn.

Probably not a good tactic to throw too many remedies at the same time at a situation.

Just trying to find ways be helpful. Good luck and best wishes,

S.

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lis
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@mitryendra80 Thank you so much! I had never heard of those types of remedies, but I'll definitely pitch them to my mum 😀 I certainly don't think she'd be aversive to them, we'll see how much they can help 🙂

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@mitryendra80 I guess that Lis mother and I are the same age, I have this combination too. Saturn with Rahu in Aries, very close to it´s lowest point. Not in the 4th house though, but in the eleventh. What can I say... It´s a huge challenge in life. Painful as hell. I don´t think we are meant to do anything well in such a house, we are just supposed to have the experience. If we understand that it´s a handicap and forgive ourselves for not being successful in that area of life - well, that helps a lot.

I remember a friend saying: "I´m not a shaman. But I do shamanic stuff. And I´m rather bad at it too."

I think that´s the way to embrace the Rahu challenge, especially when it comes in such an impossible package as in our case: It´s completely allowed to do it badly, as long as we do it.

It´s also good to remember that a DB planet has the capacity of overcoming it´s weakness and be really really good... if we do our healing profoundly. Which very few people do, of course, since it´s so tough. So: great potential for development, but TOUGH.

Mattias

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Mitryendra80
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@meyes Yes with a DB planet it's like learning that planet from scratch.

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And also... Having a tough chart really teaches you about compassion, forgiveness and love. First forgiving yourself of course, having compassion with yourself, loving yourself - despite many things. That´s where an astrologer can really help, telling the person that indeed they have reason to act as they do. Not victimizing them, but confirming their handicap. A little like getting a diagnosis for having asperbergers, being dyslectic, tourette or something.

That´s when you really come to embrace your chart and don´t want it any different, despite all the problems and pain. It helps me to have Ketu in the 5th house I guess; for me the creator is quite humoristic...

Mattias

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lis
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@meyes yeah I can understand your point of view in it being a good teaching/learning experience from astrologer to client providing validation and acceptance, etc. and I agree. It's also not as easy providing the same support and just letting it be in a more detached, non controlling manner when the relationship is from child to parent 😅 I need to stop with the parentification LMAO 

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