Sorry I can't be more help wiht this. This is a HUGE study that will entail a lot of research to predict it statistically high. First one will have to study the ins and outs of the psychology behind homosexuality and as there are different motivations for it, that' will be quite complex. And, psychology may not have enough information about that yet. Then those factors will have to be understood astrologically. That's the easy part for a skilled astrologer. The larger part for a skilled astrologer is learning the psychology of homosexuality.
@ernst Thank you very much, Ernst, for your invaluable assistance with this matter.
I appreciate it deeply and I initially intended not to inquire further and to pursue my own research. However, a particular one of yours previous response captured my attention and I inquired further simply because you requested the chart and this was indeed the final insight I needed - yet haven't received any response.
I would greatly appreciate your insights on this matter to aid my research, and I assure you this will be my last request. 🙏
In our last exchange, I mentioned that the individual in question possesses all three factors and identifies as completely heterosexual. Your comment : "There must be some factor that is preventing this person from being gay, so it's probably not that there is a gay factor missing, but something is there that is anchoring him as a non gay person. Please send the chart." - this comment intrigued me.
I apologize for revisiting this matter, but your input on this same question I raised previously would be extremely valuable to my research.
Could you please provide your insight on this matter? I'm curious to understand what aspect of this chart indicates that the individual is completely heterosexual, especially considering all three factors (Saturn aspect sun & 10th, etc) presented. Your input would be greatly appreciated and very helpful for my research.
Here's the chart: https://ibb.co/3myCL5S
I assure you this will be my last request. Thank you very much for your time and insights.
I think he is not gay because, Sun is in 10th, which is very male. Saturn in 10th, is very neuter. Saturn aspects sun to only 16 out of 60 points, thats insignificant. If saturn was square from the 4th from sun, the aspect would be very strong, but still, sun in 10th, not to likely. So we don't have the important point of Saturn aspecting sun and 10th to any significance.
@ernst Thank you very much for your response, Ernst.
I noticed in your message you mentioned;
Saturn aspects the Sun with only 16 out of 60 points.
However, according to the chart, it appears that Saturn aspects the Sun with 44 out of 60 points, and it is the Sun that aspects Saturn with 16 out of 60 points.
Additionally, could you please clarify what you meant by "Sun is in 10th, which is very male., Saturn in 10th ..?
The person has;
Sun is in 4th house and Saturn in 1st house in rasi chart.
Sun is in 10th house and Saturn in 1st house in d7 chart.
Not sure which chart you are referring to?
Could you kindly confirm if our interpretations align?
Here's the chart: https://ibb.co/jvVt0Pn
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If you are referring to the rasi chart for "saturn and sun" square aspect and referring to d7 chart when you said "sun is in the 10th". Then I no longer require a answer to the this below question I posed due to my initial uncertainty.
Also, You look at the only Rasi chart first for signs (saturn aspect sun & 10th), and if there are signs, then you go on to check the D7, otherwise not, right?
I'm asking this because you mentioned that this person does not have a strong aspect, and "If saturn was square from the 4th from sun, the aspect would be very strong". This person have saturn 4th from sun in D7 chart but not in rasi chart - which you already mentioned in your previous answer that "saturn is not 4th from sun" in rasi chart.
So, what I think you consider is only the Rasi chart first for signs, and if there are no signs, you don't consider the D7, correct? or Do you look at both, but see only rasi chart when considering (saturn aspect sun & 10th)?
Thank you for your assistance.
@ernst Here's the birth details as you asked for:
Here's the chart: https://ibb.co/jvVt0Pn
DOB: July 13, 1997
TOB: 23:43
Place: New Delhi, India
Below is a recap of your last answer and the question I asked for some clarification - I've provided this just in case it might have slipped your mind.
So this was your last answer;
I think he is not gay because, Sun is in 10th, which is very male. Saturn in 10th, is very neuter. Saturn aspects sun to only 16 out of 60 points, thats insignificant. If saturn was square from the 4th from sun, the aspect would be very strong, but still, sun in 10th, not to likely. So we don't have the important point of Saturn aspecting sun and 10th to any significance.
Then my question just to ask which chart you're referring to, and making sure our interpretations align;
Thank you very much for your response, Ernst.
I noticed in your message you mentioned;
Saturn aspects the Sun with only 16 out of 60 points.However, according to the chart, it appears that Saturn aspects the Sun with 44 out of 60 points, and it is the Sun that aspects Saturn with 16 out of 60 points. Just confirming, I don't know if I am looking in the right spot?
Additionally, could you please clarify what you meant by "Sun is in 10th, which is very male., Saturn in 10th ..?
The person has;
Sun is in 4th house and Saturn in 1st house in rasi chart.
Sun is in 10th house and Saturn in 1st house in d7 chart.Not sure which chart you are referring to when you say "Sun is in 10th"?
Could you kindly confirm if our interpretations align?
I must have mixed somethign up when I looked at it. I was tired and pressed for time. According to the basic rules, I would think this person had a good chance of being gay. But you say, not a sign of that. Maybe he is still not aware of it, has not come out in himself, or more likley, as I said, we just do not know enough about this subject to be certain in every case.
I dont see a lot of things that would change my mind on this other than just Ketu is closer to the first than its closer to the 7th, so that is a factor we should test on other charts that look gay, but are not. The reason for this is that ketu in first means a person wants to move towards their non physical gender self, so a man in this case, directs towards a woman. Its much more common for men with rahu closest to first to be gay.
take the attached chart of male gay since young. Ketu is in 10th from sun aspected by Saturn. Saturn a neuter is 7th lord and strongest aspect to saturn is neuter mercury. Not enough for a gay prediction, but add Rahu is closer to first than 7th and it starts to pop into place. Saturn and sun also join in Navamsa.
@ernst Hi Ernst,
Thank you very much, Ernst, for taking the time out of your busy schedule to answer these questions. Your help is truly invaluable.
I promise this will be my last question. I wouldn't have reached out if it weren't important. I would truly appreciate an answer, as it would greatly benefit my research & sometimes I may then need to wait several weeks to receive your expert guidance. The charts I'm using for this research are people who are very close to me, and I know them inside and out. For the chart I shared, you already told me the person is not homosexual. But suddenly, maybe because of a mix-up or a misunderstanding, your last answer confused me. Now you're saying that "he has a good chance".
🙏 Could you please spare a moment to read this through to the end? It should only take a minute;
Like I said before, the chart I gave you above is my brother's chart.
1. I already mentioned that he is completely heterosexual. Plus, he's extremely attracted toward opposite gender romantically & physically. There's nothing like that which he's still unaware of; he hasn't realized it yet himself. He's a completely heterosexual person.
Let me give a small recap of our conversation;
2. You first mentioned that if anyone have these basic rules and is heterosexual, then something might be anchoring him as non-gay.
3. I wasn't sure if his chart have the basic principles: "Saturn aspects the Sun and the 10th, a neutral planet in the first, and a male planet in the 7th". So, I asked you if this chart have these basic principles.
4. I showed you the chart and asked you does his chart have basic principles or not. I also asked that if he had the basic principles in this chart then what is anchoring him as non-gay person?
5. You looked at the chart and said, "He's not gay because his chart doesn't have the basic rules like Saturn aspecting the Sun and the 10th etc. You also said "If Saturn was 4th from the Sun, the influence would be stronger". But in the given chart, Saturn is 10th from the Sun. You also said it's a very male chart.
The given chart person is heterosexual, and from the start, just wanted to learn if his chart supports this. I asked because I was curious and doing some research. Yes, you confirmed that he's a heterosexual.
Now, your last answer confused me in which you mentioned "I think there's a good chance". I'm not sure if there was a mix-up of anything.
I just need an answer to understand this better. You confirmed first that the chart shows he's completely heterosexual and also said he is not gay. - I agreed with that, and it was exactly what I thought too because all the charts I'm studying for this research are of people very close to me, and I know them inside and out.
There's nothing like he isn't aware or has not come out in himself or something like that.
Could you please take a moment to answer my final question? I won't bother you again after this.
I know you already said "maybe we don't know enough about this subject." I understand.
I'm not sure if you had enough time to thoroughly examine the chart and see his strong attraction to girls in the chart. You mentioned a mix-up and now saying "there's a good chance", even though you had earlier confirmed that it's a heterosexual chart. Shouldn't the chart clearly indicate his heterosexuality, despite the basic principles? There should be clear signs in the chart, that should cancel out the basic principles, which is why I'm asking;
Could you do one final check without any confusion and tell if the chart confirms his heterosexuality or does it show something else? I'd really appreciate it! It will help my research a lot.
I'm also asking this because the person has a weakness for the opposite gender, and I think his chart shows that he's too much attracted to women.
He is very male person. Plus, He is an overweight & very emotional person and also who is desperately trying to find a relationship or to get married. He is extremely struggling with his mental health too.
He had his chart read by a very professional astrologer when he was younger, and one of the first few things the astrologer mentioned was that "he's always interested in girls", which is completely accurate. That is why I'm asking could you please do one final check without any confusion and tell if the chart confirms his heterosexuality or does it show something else?
If the chart looks like a heterosexual chart, then only everything will make sense. Otherwise, nothing will make sense anymore.
Here's the chart;
Chart : https://ibb.co/gZ1jAVq1
I'm very grateful for your help, especially considering that you're taking time out of your busy schedule to answer these questions. Thank you very much.
As I said, this chart has a lot of factors that point towards possible homosexuality. Saturnon angle from sun with saturn aspecting 10th is such a factor. This is because that means the male energy is repressed in the person. What is repressed we seek outside. so that's teh basic foudnation for homosexuality in men - thier male side weaker than the female and so they seek the male, not the female in others. As I mentioned, rahu is closer to the 7th, which means he is seeking the female as the 7th is the opposite gender, so a person wiht rahu closest to 7th than any other angle is seeking the opposite gender, rahu closest to the first than any other angle is seeking the same gender. Is that enough to counter the sun saturn? It must be. But n eed to see more cases to verify. This would mean, yes, his male energy is depressed, but still the need to seek female energy is greater due to rahu closest to 7th. The depressed male energy is indicated by his behavior that you described. Maybe if he had a more developed female side, rahu closest to first, not the 7th, he would be able to be in his female side in a useful way and be homosexual. As it is, his male side is repressed and he is not in touch with his female side either due to rahu closest to 7th.