@ernst Hello Professor,
I'm currently working on a few other tasks, not this framework specifically, and I didn't mean to inquire further about the combination. I was simply hoping to hear your thoughtful advice.
I've already been through many of your videos, and from what I've learned so far, I wanted to share a few thoughts and ask a very simple question.
Is it fair to say that this astrological framework — Saturn aspecting sun and 10th with nueter planet in 7th might be indicator of homosexuality, but it is just one possible interpretation among thousands? That it may also manifest in ways entirely unrelated to sexuality?
I've been reflecting on this combination, and I understand why you might interpret it as a indicator of homosexuality because:
- Saturn signifies restriction, delay, struggle, isolation, and feeling "different" from others.
- The Sun represents a man’s identity, self-expression, confidence, and pride.
- When Saturn strongly aspects the Sun (especially angular aspects), it may suggest internal struggles or confusion about one’s identity.
"Confuson about one's identity" - In a straight person's chart, it could simply indicate - often changing careers, opinions, or personal goals because they haven't formed a clear sense of self.
- The 10th house relates to public image, career, and societal expectations.
- When Saturn is in or aspecting 10th, it may show pressure to conform, identity challenges, or difficulties with societal roles - Similarly, individuals who identify as homosexual may experience additional pressure from society.
However, in the chart of a straight person, this could also manifest in completely different ways without implying anything about their sexuality. For example:
- Identity or confidence struggles: Difficulty in self-expression or personal clarity.
- Feeling isolated: A sense of being different or misunderstood, emotionally or socially.
- Career pressures: Heavy responsibility, public scrutiny, or delayed success.
- Father/authority issues: Saturn-Sun aspects can point to strict or conflicted father relationships.
- Reserved personality: Becoming emotionally guarded, cautious, or mature early in life.
- Late bloomers: Success or identity clarity may come later in life.
- Increased Humility
etc.
Personal Observation:
I don’t have enough charts to confirm this, but I’ve seen this Framework combination in two individuals who suffer from HOCD (Homosexual Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder).
One had all factors mentioned above. The other had Saturn square Sun and Mars in the 7th house. Both chart saturn-sun square and mars in 7th in common.
So I'm asking this question to gain clarity, as I don't have a enough charts to confirm.
This is precisely what happens in HOCD: constant worry, fear, or intrusive thoughts about being homosexual, despite being 100% straight.
What is HOCD?
It’s a subtype of OCD experienced by straight individuals where they constantly question their sexuality due to intrusive thoughts, even though they are clearly heterosexual. It’s a mental health condition where the mind tricks them into obsessive fear.
Saturn = Fear & Doubt → Creates internal anxiety, obsessive thoughts.
Sun = Identity & Confidence → Saturn’s pressure on the Sun causes confusion about self-identity.
Saturn influence on 10th = The 10th house is about how others see us. Saturn here can cause deep fears of being judged. In HOCD, this may lead to obsessive thoughts about being seen as homosexual, because the person is straight - these fears can be strong and constant due to HOCD intrusive thoughts OR cause someone to avoid public life and isolated.
A straight man with Saturn aspecting his Sun might begin experiencing irrational fears about being not straight, triggered by anxiety and obsessive thinking.
Man repeatedly checks or doubts his attractions, causing distress, even though deep down he is clearly know he's heterosexual and never doubt his sexuality before HOCD, nor suppressing anything. They are just suffering through mental illness, not a reflection of true identity.
This OCD Sub-type (HOCD) perfectly matches Saturn (fear, doubt) influencing Sun (identity, self-confidence).
For the sufferers these thoughts are extremely distressing, not enjoyable, and rooted in irrational fear.
This is just one example, and yes - as you’ve already pointed out in the past - we can’t be certain about every chart. I think you’re absolutely right, especially since many straight charts also contain this framework as well.
Also you mentioned;
saturn aspecting sun means the male energy is repressed in the person. What is repressed we seek outside. so that's teh basic foudnation for homosexuality in men - thier male side weaker than the female and so they seek the male, not the female in others.
I have noticed this combination in straight charts as well, particularly in cases involving porn or sex addiction, mental illness, depression, loneliness, and difficulty forming relationships. As I mentioned earlier, I haven’t extensively tested this across many charts of individuals dealing with mental illness, depression, OCD, or challenges in relationships because I don’t have enough charts clearly associated with such conditions. But this framework/combinations does exist in homosexual chart as well.
What I meant to express is that someone struggling with mental illness or depression might show signs of repressed masculine energy simply due to their condition. These factors could simply mean repressed masculine energy rather than a lack of masculinity, without having any connection to sexuality;
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A person dealing with porn or sex addiction might be experiencing low testosterone levels, which can manifest as reduced masculine energy.
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As you mentioned in your video, this particular combination in the chart may means increase humility, which could lead to repressed masculine energy—not necessarily related to sexuality.
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This humility might result in a calm, quiet, and non-aggressive nature that develops gradually over time, often due to life experiences.
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Alternatively, this reduced energy could stem from fatigue caused by ongoing family responsibilities or emotional burdens—again, reflecting lower energy rather than a lack of masculinity.
etc
So, is it right to say that repressed masculine energy in these cases doesn’t mean the person has a weak masculine side, but that it’s just been pushed down because of things like stress, responsibilities, or becoming more humble over time—not because they less male and trying to find it outside?
That’s why I ask:
In a straight person's chart with this framework, could it manifest it many different ways?
Also telling someone with HOCD that this combination indicates homosexuality and these factors are present in their chart it could seriously harm them. It could worsen their anxiety/doubt spiral.
So my simple question is:
Could this same Saturn–Sun framework manifest in completely different ways, completely unrelated to sexuality?
I believe it can manifest in various other forms, such as:
1. OCD
2. Major depression
3. Impostor Syndrome burnout
4. Social anxiety / performance anxiety
5. Compulsive porn or sex‑site scrolling
6. Social‑media obsession
7. Troubled father‑figure relations
8. Over‑responsibility
etc.
Professor, I remember in the past when I inquired about a particular chart, you mentioned:
This chart: https://ibb.co/m5XJCSyx
According to the basic rules, I would think this person had a good chance of being gay. But you say there’s no sign of that. Maybe he is still not aware of it, hasn’t come out to himself, or more likely, as I said, we just do not know enough about this subject to be certain in every case.
I dont see a lot of things that would change my mind on this other than just Ketu is closer to the first than its closer to the 7th, so that is a factor we should test on other charts that look gay, but are not. As it is, his male side is repressed and he is not in touch with his female side either due to rahu closest to 7th.
I understand that this area is still under exploration, and you’ve said before that "we don’t know enough to be certain in every case". However, I wanted to ask your advice on something that’s been on my mind.
Based on the framework, I feel we should be cautious about saying things like "this person has a good chance of being gay"—especially when it’s not confirmed—and also about labeling charts as “gay charts” or assuming that something like Rahu being closer to the 7th is “canceling out” the combination.
Because if this same combination can manifest in other ways unrelated to sexuality - Then maybe we don’t need to look for signs that can 'cancel out' the combination like "rahu closer to 7th" if it can simply manifest in other ways.
Professor, I understand you may not have explored this deeply, but I would genuinely appreciate your advice:
Am I understanding this correctly? That this Combination/framework is just one possible interpretation among many? And that it could manifest in various ways not necessarily connected to sexuality?
All the top astrologers, including you mentioned — and I 100% agree with you that:
This is a HUGE study that will entail a lot of research to predict it statistically high. First one will have to study the ins and outs of the psychology behind homosexuality and as there are different motivations for it, that' will be quite complex. And, psychology may not have enough information about that yet. Then those factors will have to be understood astrologically.
Which simply means it's impossible to determine right now if someone is homosexual just by looking at their chart. First, we would need clear psychological evidence — and since there is none, it’s impossible at this point to determine homosexuality from a chart alone. - I totally 100% agree with you, professor.
Do you think I'm correct about the points I mentioned above?
Also, do you believe this same framework could manifest in completely different ways, without necessarily implying anything about a person's sexuality?
Just looking for your thoughts—a simple answer would be enough.
Thank you so much for your time, professor.