That seems like a good thing to try and test.
Its impossible in this day and age to define any type of clinical disorder, or social variance with perfect accuracy wiht astrology because the research to get that level of detail has never been done. For instance, with astrology, we can see that a person has a lack of self worth and that this involves their value in the eyes of others. But is their clinical diagnoses borderline personality disorder, some other disorder, or do they regularly under charge others for their services? Similary, someone has weakness in their male development. Are they trying to win a gold medal to prove themselves or are they gay? We need a lot more research to get that level of detail with great accuracy. Personally, I have no interest in researching any of that as its not useful in that it is not needed to help people. I dont need to know a person is gay to help t hem work out their bad avasthas, nor do I need to know they have borderline personality disorder in order to help them with their bad avasthas. Lables, are not helpful to help people. Specialists in these fields who get into astrology can do the mountains of work to work out these details if its worth it to them. Its not worth it to me. I am about fundamentals. I won't have time to sort out all the critical fundamentals of astrology that are lost or corrupted before I die. I will just have time to sort out a few of them. So I spend no energy on these detailed things, others can do that, but first they need to learn the fundamentals and then specialize in the study of those things and then from what they have learned from scientists about those things, they can apply astrology and find the connections.
There is no limitation to what astrology can do, but many limitations to what an astrologer can do, so you need to, as do I need to, focus on what matters to each of us. So this is you job to figure out as it seems to matter to you. I have told you what I know about homosexuality and i don't want to think more about it as I have other things to think about that matter to me. Please, you do the thinking because a lot of people want to know, so if you work very hard and tediously, you can be the one who teaches them. But it will be very hard and take years, not weeks or even months.
Another misconception that I found in Ernst videos when he speaks about relationships between the same genders is that one is more male other more female energy.
I wonder what you think about the basic energetic polarity rather than using gender oriented names. I think Ernst is talking about energy polarity and not cultural themes. We can take this senario into any relationship, let's take just two people having a conversation. It alternates from speaking to listening. Speaking is active/dynamic, listening is passive/receptive. If both people talk at the same time or if both say nothing then even though there may be something communicated there is not a conversation. This then is applied to one's individual energetic polarity orientation (percentage wise, we're a mix of both of course) and then to the energetic polarity of the partner. If they are not complementary over 50% of the time then while the people maybe relating there is a good chance there are not forming the true bonds that create a relationship and give birth to what is greater. This is the "conjugal bond" that is talked about in the 8th house, traditionally seen as sex that creates children, the sex is symbolic for the union of the energetic polarities and children are symbolic for the extensions of that bond that occur when the polarities unite.
Its impossible in this day and age to define any type of clinical disorder, or social variance with perfect accuracy wiht astrology because the research to get that level of detail has never been done. For instance, with astrology, we can see that a person has a lack of self worth and that this involves their value in the eyes of others. But is their clinical diagnoses borderline personality disorder, some other disorder, or do they regularly under charge others for their services?
@ernst I’m very sorry for bothering you. I have now found the answer I was looking for, and I truly appreciate your time and patience.
I wanted to explain why I kept asking questions because : In one of your earlier answers, you mentioned that it is currently impossible to determine homosexuality from a chart. However, when you talked about the Saturn-Sun framework. - Many straight charts already have this pattern [it’s not about labeling anyone].
When talkied about Saturn-Sun framework and you mentioned that "Rahu closer to the 7th house" can make a person straight and that we need to test charts that "look homosexual but are not," I became super confused. I thought you were treating this framework as something certain, and it felt like you were labeling charts as homosexual based only on this framework. This confused me a lot because earlier you had said that it’s impossible to tell sexuality from a chart. So, I didn’t understand why phrases like "the chart looks homosexual" were being used.
That’s why I asked if such framework could also appear in straight people's charts without relating to homosexuality. Also in the past - When I asked about a straight person's chart, you replied, "this person has a good chance of being homosexual," without even mentioning that this was only one possibility among many thousands. You didn’t mention that the framework could mean other things too, completely un-related to homosexuality. Also you never mentioned "you were only saying that this chart has a good chance because we are simply discussing this topic & Otherwise, it is actually not possible to tell if someone is homosexual or not". You didn’t mention this.
You also mentioned "weakness in male development" and that it is "the basic foundation of homosexuality." I misunderstood and thought you were certain about it. That was my mistake. This is why I asked if such framework could exist without having anything to do with sexuality. I was only trying to understand what they might mean in a straight person’s chart - Even before I said the person is straight, you still labeled the person "of having a good chance" based on the framework, which made me even more confused.
Now, from your previous message, I understand clearly. When you mean:
"For instance, with astrology, we can see that a person has a lack of self-worth and that this involves their value in the eyes of others. But is their clinical diagnosis borderline personality disorder, some other disorder, or do they simply undercharge others for their services?"
This was the simple answer I was looking for from the very beginning, but you only mentioned it just now.
I realized that these framwork can manifest in many different ways, not just one.
Similarly, the Saturn-Sun/10th house framework that points to "weakness in male development" could mean many things, like:
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Low confidence
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Less leadership drive
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Being physically weaker or less athletic
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Shyness
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Being more emotional and sensitive
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Having less aggression, etc.
So now i get it - it could mean many different things, not just homosexuality. It could also point to mental health challenges, addictions, emotional sensitivity, or anything unrelated to homosexuality, really - but it is impossible to determine the exact one. So, a person with weakness in male development could simply have mental health challenges, addictions, or be less athletic or overweight - have low testosterone or other issues completely unrelated to homosexuality that make their male side weaker. So now I understand — the framework can manifest in thousands of ways completely unrelated to sexuality.
I now understand that when you mentioned homosexuality, it was simply an assumption among many thousand possible interpretations, and I understand now you always means that - It could manifest into many thousand possible interpretations completely unrelated to homosexuality, but it is impossible to determine the exact one.
I am really sorry again for bothering you with so many questions, but I truly appreciate all the help you have given me. I do not need any more answers now.
Thank you very much, and sorry again for any inconvenience.
It is possible to work out the details of how that sun saturn pathology will go, but as I said, its years or work and would require a great deal of psychological knowledge and experience. Its my hope that one day specialist in their fields of study will use a solid astrological foundation to determine these things. But the foundation has to be solid and we can't do that in a world where we are using dozens of ayanamsas and more than one zodiac and people not even in agreement as to whether the world is flat or round. haha.