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That seems like a good thing to try and test. 

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@ernst Hello Professor,

I'm currently working on a few other tasks, not this framework specifically, and I didn't mean to inquire further about the combination. I was simply hoping to hear your thoughtful advice.

I've already been through many of your videos, and from what I've learned so far, I wanted to share a few thoughts and ask a very simple question.

Is it fair to say that this astrological framework — Saturn aspecting sun and 10th with nueter planet in 7th might be indicator of homosexuality, but it is just one possible interpretation among thousands? That it may also manifest in ways entirely unrelated to sexuality?

I've been reflecting on this combination, and I understand why you might interpret it as a indicator of homosexuality because:

  • Saturn signifies restriction, delay, struggle, isolation, and feeling "different" from others.
  • The Sun represents a man’s identity, self-expression, confidence, and pride.
  • When Saturn strongly aspects the Sun (especially angular aspects), it may suggest internal struggles or confusion about one’s identity.

"Confuson about one's identity" - In a straight person's chart, it could simply indicate - often changing careers, opinions, or personal goals because they haven't formed a clear sense of self.

  • The 10th house relates to public image, career, and societal expectations.
  • When Saturn is in or aspecting 10th, it may show pressure to conform, identity challenges, or difficulties with societal roles - Similarly, individuals who identify as homosexual may experience additional pressure from society.

However, in the chart of a straight person, this could also manifest in completely different ways without implying anything about their sexuality. For example:

  • Identity or confidence struggles: Difficulty in self-expression or personal clarity.
  • Feeling isolated: A sense of being different or misunderstood, emotionally or socially.
  • Career pressures: Heavy responsibility, public scrutiny, or delayed success.
  • Father/authority issues: Saturn-Sun aspects can point to strict or conflicted father relationships.
  • Reserved personality: Becoming emotionally guarded, cautious, or mature early in life.
  • Late bloomers: Success or identity clarity may come later in life.
  • Increased Humility

etc.

Personal Observation:
I don’t have enough charts to confirm this, but I’ve seen this Framework combination in two straight individuals who suffer from HOCD (Homosexual Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder). Additionally, I've seen this framework in many other straight people charts.

One had all factors mentioned above. The other had Saturn square Sun and Mars in the 7th house. Both chart saturn-sun square and mars in 7th in common.

So I'm asking this question to gain clarity, as I don't have a enough charts to confirm.

This is precisely what happens in HOCD: constant worry, fear, or intrusive thoughts about being homosexual, despite being 100% straight.

What is HOCD?
It’s a subtype of OCD experienced by straight individuals where they constantly question their sexuality due to intrusive thoughts, even though they are clearly heterosexual. It’s a mental health condition where the mind tricks them into obsessive fear.

Saturn = Fear & Doubt → Creates internal anxiety, obsessive thoughts.

Sun = Identity & Confidence → Saturn’s pressure on the Sun causes confusion about self-identity.

Saturn influence on 10th = The 10th house is about how others see us. Saturn here can cause deep fears of being judged. In HOCD, this may lead to obsessive thoughts about being seen as homosexual, because the person is straight - these fears can be strong and constant due to HOCD intrusive thoughts OR cause someone to avoid public life and isolated. 

A straight man with Saturn aspecting his Sun might begin experiencing irrational fears about being not straight, triggered by anxiety and obsessive thinking.

Man repeatedly checks or doubts his attractions, causing distress, even though deep down he is clearly know he's heterosexual and never doubt his sexuality before HOCD, nor suppressing anything. They are just suffering through mental illness, not a reflection of true identity.

This OCD Sub-type (HOCD) perfectly matches Saturn (fear, doubt) influencing Sun (identity, self-confidence).

For the sufferers these thoughts are extremely distressing, not enjoyable, and rooted in irrational fear.

This is just one example, and yes - as you’ve already pointed out in the past - we can’t be certain about every chart. I think you’re absolutely right, especially since many straight charts also contain this framework as well.

Also you mentioned;

saturn aspecting sun means the male energy is repressed in the person. What is repressed we seek outside. so that's teh basic foudnation for homosexuality in men - thier male side weaker than the female and so they seek the male, not the female in others.

I have noticed this combination in straight charts as well, particularly in cases involving porn or sex addiction, mental illness, depression, loneliness, and difficulty forming relationships. As I mentioned earlier, I haven’t extensively tested this across many charts of individuals dealing with mental illness, depression, OCD, or challenges in relationships because I don’t have enough charts clearly associated with such conditions. But this framework/combinations does exist in homosexual chart as well.

What I meant to express is that someone struggling with mental illness or depression might show signs of repressed masculine energy simply due to their condition. These factors could simply mean repressed masculine energy rather than a lack of masculinity, without having any connection to sexuality;

  • A person dealing with porn or sex addiction might be experiencing low testosterone levels, which can manifest as reduced masculine energy.

  • As you mentioned in your video, this particular combination in the chart may means increase humility, which could lead to repressed masculine energy—not necessarily related to sexuality.

  • This humility might result in a calm, quiet, and non-aggressive nature that develops gradually over time, often due to life experiences.

  • Alternatively, this reduced energy could stem from fatigue caused by ongoing family responsibilities or emotional burdens—again, reflecting lower energy rather than a lack of masculinity.

    etc

So, is it right to say that repressed masculine energy in these cases doesn’t mean the person has a weak masculine side, but that it’s just been pushed down because of things like stress, responsibilities, or becoming more humble over time—not because they have a weaker male side and trying to find it outside as you mentioned - "What is repressed we seek outside -  so they seek the male, not the female in others"?

That’s why I ask:

In a straight person's chart with this framework, could it manifest it many different ways?

Also telling someone with HOCD that this combination indicates homosexuality and these factors are present in their chart it could seriously harm them. It could worsen their anxiety and doubt spiral so severely that it may even lead severely damage. This illness is extremely sensitive.

So my simple question is:

Could this same Saturn–Sun framework manifest in completely different ways, completely unrelated to sexuality?

I believe it can manifest in various other forms, such as:

1. OCD
2. Major depression
3. Impostor Syndrome burnout
4. Social anxiety / performance anxiety
5. Compulsive porn or sex‑site scrolling
6. Social‑media obsession
7. Troubled father‑figure relations
8. Over‑responsibility

etc.

Professor, I remember in the past when I inquired about a particular chart, you mentioned:
This chart: https://postimg.cc/QVC3r4Mp
A straight person's with severe OCD also, having sub-type HOCD.

According to the basic rules, I would think this person had a good chance of being gay. But you say there’s no sign of that. Maybe he is still not aware of it, hasn’t come out to himself, or more likely, as I said, we just do not know enough about this subject to be certain in every case.

I dont see a lot of things that would change my mind on this other than just Ketu is closer to the first than its closer to the 7th, so that is a factor we should test on other charts that look gay, but are not. As it is, his male side is repressed and he is not in touch with his female side either due to rahu closest to 7th.

I understand that this area is still under exploration, and you’ve said before that "we don’t know enough to be certain in every case". However, I wanted to ask your advice on something that’s been on my mind.

Based on the framework, I feel we should be cautious about saying things like "this person has a good chance of being gay"—especially when it’s not confirmed—and also about labeling charts as “gay charts” just because a person have this framework or assuming that something like Rahu being closer to the 7th is “canceling out” the combination.

Because if this same combination can manifest in other ways unrelated to sexuality - Then maybe we don’t need to look for signs that can 'cancel out' the combination like "rahu closer to 7th" if it can simply manifest in other ways.

Professor, I understand you may not have explored this deeply, but I would genuinely appreciate your advice:

Am I understanding this correctly? That this Combination/framework is just one possible interpretation among many? And that it could manifest in various ways not necessarily connected to sexuality?

All the top astrologers, including you mentioned — and I 100% agree with you that:

This is a HUGE study that will entail a lot of research to predict it statistically high. First one will have to study the ins and outs of the psychology behind homosexuality and as there are different motivations for it, that' will be quite complex. And, psychology may not have enough information about that yet. Then those factors will have to be understood astrologically.

Which simply means it's impossible to determine right now if someone is homosexual just by looking at their chart. First, we would need clear psychological evidence — and since there is none, it’s impossible at this point to determine homosexuality from a chart alone. - I totally 100% agree with you, professor.

Do you think I'm correct about the points I mentioned above?

Also, do you believe this same framework could manifest in completely different ways, without necessarily implying anything about a person's sexuality?

Just looking for your thoughts—a simple answer would be enough.

Thank you so much for your time, professor.

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Its impossible in this day and age to define any type of clinical disorder, or social variance with perfect accuracy wiht astrology because the research to get that level of detail has never been done. For instance, with astrology, we can see that a person has a lack of self worth and that this involves their value in the eyes of others. But is their clinical diagnoses borderline personality disorder, some other disorder, or do they regularly under charge others for their services? Similary, someone has weakness in their male development. Are they trying to win a gold medal to prove themselves or are they gay? We need a lot more research to get that level of detail with great accuracy. Personally, I have no interest in researching any of that as its not useful in that it is not needed to help people. I dont need to know a person is gay to help t hem work out  their bad avasthas,  nor do I need to know they have borderline personality disorder in order to help them with their bad avasthas. Lables, are not helpful to help people. Specialists in these fields who get into astrology can do the mountains of work to work out these details if its worth it to them. Its not worth it to me. I am about fundamentals. I won't have time to sort out all the critical fundamentals of astrology that are lost or corrupted before I die. I will just have time to sort out a few of them. So I spend no energy on these detailed things, others can do that, but first they need to learn the fundamentals and then specialize in the study of those things and then from what they have learned from scientists about those things, they can apply astrology and find the connections. 

There is no limitation to what astrology can do, but many limitations to what an astrologer can do, so you need to, as do I need to, focus on what matters to each of us. So this is you job to figure out as it seems to matter to you. I have told you what I know about homosexuality and i don't want to think more about it as I have other things to think about that matter to me. Please, you do the thinking because a lot of people want to know, so if you work very hard and tediously, you can be the one who teaches them. But it will be very hard and take years, not weeks or even months. 

 

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Another misconception that I found in Ernst videos when he speaks about relationships between the same genders is that one is more male other more female energy.

I wonder what you think about the basic energetic polarity rather than using gender oriented names.  I think Ernst is talking about energy polarity and not cultural themes.  We can take this senario into any relationship, let's take just two people having a conversation.  It alternates from speaking to listening.  Speaking is active/dynamic, listening is passive/receptive.  If both people talk at the same time or if both say nothing then even though there may be something communicated there is not a conversation.  This then is applied to one's individual energetic polarity orientation (percentage wise, we're a mix of both of course) and then to the energetic polarity of the partner.  If they are not complementary over 50% of the time then while the people maybe relating there is a good chance there are not forming the true bonds that create a relationship and give birth to what is greater.  This is the "conjugal bond" that is talked about in the 8th house, traditionally seen as sex that creates children, the sex is symbolic for the union of the energetic polarities and children are symbolic for the extensions of that bond that occur when the polarities unite.  

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@quasar259 Hello sir, I see what you're saying about energetic polarity, but I don’t fully agree. I think it's too limiting to say that one person has to be mostly active and the other mostly passive for a relationship to work. Real human connection is more complex than just assigning people fixed energy roles.

People can take turns being active or passive depending on the situation. Two people can both be strong, expressive, and even dominant, and still have a deep, healthy bond — same with two more quiet or gentle people. For example, two strong-willed partners—like a female lawyer and a male entrepreneur—may both be confident and outspoken, yet build a powerful relationship through mutual respect, shared goals, and emotional maturity.

Compatibility isn’t about always having opposite energy; it’s about understanding, respect, and emotional connection. Gender, energy types, or even roles like speaking/listening don’t automatically decide the strength of a relationship between a man and a woman or any other couple, as you mentioned you're taking this scanerio into any kind of relationship.

Sometimes both people talking at once leads to passionate conversation. Sometimes silence is shared comfort. Real relationships are flexible, not stuck in one energetic pattern.

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@ts the roles are not assigned to people, the roles are assigned to the sun and moon primarily, then people have thier karma to relate to the sun and moon in a particular way from thier chart which gives rise to the dominate energetic polarity of a person.  You can not immediately judge someone as outgoing as dynamic in relationships, they may be actually arrogant and covering up for a wounded masculinity.  Career/outer life is much different than inner life and life in the home.  Of course we take turns being dynamic and receptive, if you've taken Ernst's compatibility course you know it's about maintaining respect for one another which at it's core happens before the intellect and concept gets involved, it happens at the energetic level and if that level is not getting validated 51% of the time that person will shut down, act out or get needs meet outside the relationship.  Much of this is in the computability course.

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@quasar259 Hello sir, I respectfully disagree with you on a couple of points;

You mentioned that roles aren’t assigned to people, but to the Sun and Moon, and people relate to them based on their karma. That makes sense symbolically, but in real life, people are far more complex than just having a “dominant energy.”

You also said that if someone’s dominant energy isn’t validated 51% of the time, they’ll shut down or look outside the relationship. That feels too mechanical — like people are energy circuits that stop working if one side isn’t “charged” enough. But relationships don’t fall apart because someone’s polarity wasn’t validated just enough. They fall apart because of lack of communication, emotional disconnection, disrespect, or unresolved pain — not just because someone wasn’t “receptive” or “dynamic” enough.

I’m familiar with the idea from Ernst’s course that respect and connection begin at the energetic level, and I agree that energy plays a role before the intellect gets involved. But the idea that someone will “shut down, act out, or get their needs met elsewhere” just because their energetic polarity isn’t validated 51% of the time oversimplifies human behavior and emotional dynamics.

For example, If a male individual exhibits a weak sun—indicating a diminished expression of his masculine side—it could be due to experiencing illness, emotional stress, or even undergoing spiritual growth, he might not express traditional “masculinity” like direction or dominance. A woman might also not be expressing her dominant eneergy due to burnout or life challenges. During these times, neither partner may be acting from their dominant polarity — yet they don’t necessarily shut down or stray. In fact, many couples become more bonded in those phases through compassion, emotional presence, and shared vulnerability.

This proves that lasting connection doesn’t rely on maintaining a fixed percentage of energetic validation. It relies on trust, emotional safety, and the ability to hold space for each other — especially when energy roles shift.

So while energetic awareness is helpful, real relationships aren’t sustained by meeting polarity quotas. They’re sustained by emotional intelligence, maturity, and love.

You also made a good point: "you said someone who appears outgoing might not be truly dynamic — they could be arrogant or hiding wounded masculinity. And that’s exactly why we can’t box people into roles based on outer behavior or assumed energy types. People are layered. Someone can act bold but feel deeply insecure. Someone quiet might hold a steady inner strength". This proves that we need to understand the person, not just apply polarity labels.

And here’s another key point: as you agreed we take turns being dynamic and receptive - that’s actually the foundation of healthy relationships. So if we do take turns, then the idea that someone’s energy must be validated “more than 50% of the time” doesn’t quite work. If we naturally take turns being dynamic and receptive, then how can we even reliably know which "dominant" energy is supposed to be validated at any given time? And if energy keeps shifting, validating one side more than 51% of the time becomes impossible and unnatural.

Let me give an example:

Imagine both partners are strong inside — a woman is emotionally strong and confident, and her husband is also strong, calm, and capable. Neither one is pretending or hiding weakness. But in their relationship, they still support each other naturally: When she feels tired or stressed, he steps up to lead and protect. When he feels low, she becomes nurturing and encouraging.

They don’t stick to one fixed role. They are both strong, but they take turns supporting each other based on what’s needed at the moment.

That’s true connection — not a formula of who’s more “active” or “passive.”

Polarity can be a helpful model, but it should never become a strict rule. Healthy relationship is fluid. It’s about emotional maturity, communication, and mutual support — not about trying to validate someone’s energetic “setting” like a meter.

If polarity was the main thing, emotionally immature people with opposite energies would have great relationships — but they don’t.

So yes, I think polarity is real. But it’s not everything. It’s just one tool. People are not roles — they are dynamic, emotional beings who grow, learn and change. That’s what real relationships are built on.

It’s a little funny to say this, because I know movies aren’t always real life. But yesterday I was watching the movie Ip Man — a Chinese film — and learned something very true about relationships.

In the story, the husband (Ip Man) is a great fighter and a respected man, rich person - does not work and stays always at home. he is quiet and respectful toward his wife, who is more dominant in their home life.
One villain even teases him, asking, "Are you scared of your wife?"
And Ip Man answers, "No one is scared of their wife — they are only men who respect their wives."

This shows he wasn’t stuck in a "masculine-dominant" role at home. He adjusted with maturity and respected his wife's nature instead of trying to force any polarity.

Later, when hard times came — when Japan invaded and they became poor — his wife's dominant attitude faded because she was sad and struggling. At that time, Ip Man naturally stepped into a stronger active role, going out to earn and support the family as well emotionally providing support to her wife.

This shows that in relationships, people adjust naturally depending on the situation.
When his wife was dominant, he supported her with maturity.
When she became vulnerable, he became her emotional and practical strength.

I’ve also seen the same kind of adjustment in real-life couples — that's why I brought this up.

It proves that true connection comes from respect, understanding, and emotional support — not from sticking to fixed polarity roles.

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@ts can you translate your model of a healthy relationship into astrological factors?

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@quasar259 Yes sir, will share it soon.

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@quasar259 complementary/polarity is useful in magnets and people are not magnets. Adult should behave like an adult with yin and yang in balance, not seeking the other half outside of themself. And I have seen more balanced people (in those energies) in gay community than in heterosexuals. They also have better energies in relationships and it's hard not to equate that with more balanced yin and yang. True bond is not formed based on differences and you are trying to say it is. As for 8th house we cant forget its natural Scorpio sign and those do not bond; they barely take care of their babies. It was and will be (no matter what modern nonsense we attach to it) house of loneliness, death and most of all fear.

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@omanis how fascinating, what astrological factors make gay people more balanced and which ones denote they will have better energies in relationships?  Is the fact that heterosexual couples are not the same gender mean they are inherently imbalanced?  Is anyone who looks for complementary yin or yang in a partner by default not an adult? If we don't seek the other outside ourselves then would we need or seek relationships at all?

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@quasar259 I used “I have seen” which does not mean that I know that all gay people are more in tune with polarity of their original gender. Maybe they are maybe they aren’t. Those that I had met during my nearly 50 years on this planet just were. I can’t say that about heterosexual couples (not about every one of them on earth as I didn’t meet all of them). Maybe I just bump into that kind of people. As for being an adult in relationship I meant communicating and doing from an adult perspective (so without hidden agenda, trauma and bad avastas in play or being aware when they speak/do and being brave to acknowledge them). If you think about it it’s kind of balanced organism with fem/masc on speaking terms inside ourselves first. 
Your last question is good one. Maybe we don’t need them if we can work successfully on ourselves. Maybe we would all form better ones meeting the other and not needing anything from them.

edit: english is not my first language; removed incorrectly used word

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Its impossible in this day and age to define any type of clinical disorder, or social variance with perfect accuracy wiht astrology because the research to get that level of detail has never been done. For instance, with astrology, we can see that a person has a lack of self worth and that this involves their value in the eyes of others. But is their clinical diagnoses borderline personality disorder, some other disorder, or do they regularly under charge others for their services?

@ernst I’m very sorry for bothering you. I have now found the answer I was looking for, and I truly appreciate your time and patience.

I wanted to explain why I kept asking questions because : In one of your earlier answers, you mentioned that it is currently impossible to determine homosexuality from a chart. However, when you talked about the Saturn-Sun framework. - Many straight charts already have this pattern [it’s not about labeling anyone].

When talkied about Saturn-Sun framework and you mentioned that "Rahu closer to the 7th house" can make a person straight and that we need to test charts that "look homosexual but are not," I became super confused. I thought you were treating this framework as something certain, and it felt like you were labeling charts as homosexual based only on this framework. This confused me a lot because earlier you had said that it’s impossible to tell sexuality from a chart. So, I didn’t understand why phrases like "the chart looks homosexual" were being used.

That’s why I asked if such framework could also appear in straight people's charts without relating to homosexuality. Also in the past - When I asked about a straight person's chart, you replied, "this person has a good chance of being homosexual," without even mentioning that this was only one possibility among many thousands. You didn’t mention that the framework could mean other things too, completely un-related to homosexuality. Also you never mentioned "you were only saying that this chart has a good chance because we are simply discussing this topic & Otherwise, it is actually not possible to tell if someone is homosexual or not". You didn’t mention this.

You also mentioned "weakness in male development" and that it is "the basic foundation of homosexuality." I misunderstood and thought you were certain about it. That was my mistake. This is why I asked if such framework could exist without having anything to do with sexuality. I was only trying to understand what they might mean in a straight person’s chart - Even before I said the person is straight, you still labeled the person "of having a good chance" based on the framework, which made me even more confused.

Now, from your previous message, I understand clearly. When you mean:

"For instance, with astrology, we can see that a person has a lack of self-worth and that this involves their value in the eyes of others. But is their clinical diagnosis borderline personality disorder, some other disorder, or do they simply undercharge others for their services?"

This was the simple answer I was looking for from the very beginning, but you only mentioned it just now.

I realized that these framwork can manifest in many different ways, not just one.

Similarly, the Saturn-Sun/10th house framework that points to "weakness in male development" could mean many things, like:

  • Low confidence

  • Less leadership drive

  • Being physically weaker or less athletic

  • Shyness

  • Being more emotional and sensitive

  • Having less aggression, etc.

So now i get it - it could mean many different things, not just homosexuality. It could also point to mental health challenges, addictions, emotional sensitivity, or anything unrelated to homosexuality, really - but it is impossible to determine the exact one. So, a person with weakness in male development could simply have mental health challenges, addictions, or be less athletic or overweight - have low testosterone or other issues completely unrelated to homosexuality that make their male side weaker. So now I understand — the framework can manifest in thousands of ways completely unrelated to sexuality.

I now understand that when you mentioned homosexuality, it was simply an assumption among many thousand possible interpretations, and I understand now you always means that - It could manifest into many thousand possible interpretations completely unrelated to homosexuality, but it is impossible to determine the exact one.

I am really sorry again for bothering you with so many questions, but I truly appreciate all the help you have given me. I do not need any more answers now.

Thank you very much, and sorry again for any inconvenience.

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It is possible to work out the details of how that sun saturn pathology will go, but as I said, its years or work and would require a great deal of psychological knowledge and experience. Its my hope that one day specialist in their fields of study will use a solid astrological foundation to determine these things. But the foundation has to be solid and we can't do that in a world where we are using dozens of ayanamsas and more than one zodiac and people not even in agreement as to whether the world is flat or round. haha. 

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@ernst Yes, exactly — that’s what I meant! We live in a time where people still debate whether the Earth is flat or round, and yet we’re trying to establish solid foundations in astrology. And in that kind of environment, it's difficult to use astrology to make precise psychological conclusions — especially about something as complex and deeply personal as sexuality.

As I’ve already mentioned, I now have all the answers I was looking for and don’t need any further replies — thank you sincerely for that.

Yes, now I understand clearly — you simply meant that this Sun-Saturn-10th with same gender planet in 7th combination has nothing to do with homosexuality. You cannot look at a straight person’s chart, see this combination, and assume they are homosexual — because this aspect does not indicate homosexuality at all.

What you did was observe this combination in one or two homosexual charts, and you speculated that Sun-Saturn means a “weak male side,” and therefore might show up in a few homosexual individuals — just as some astrologers assume Saturn in the 5th house indicates homosexuality, because homosexual people can’t have children. But in a straight person’s chart, it simply indicates fertility challenges or other issues that could affect having children.

Additionally you mean, even if this combination does suggest a weaker expression of certain masculine traits, that still doesn’t mean it points to homosexuality — especially not in straight charts.

In fact, Yes I've observed this Sun-Saturn-10th with same gender or nueter planet in 7th framework appears so frequently that every 4th or 5th straight person’s chart has it.

What I understood from you is this: in a straight person’s chart, this combination could mean low confidence, emotional sensitivity, or many other things completely unrelated to sexuality.

So yes — you only made a reasonable assumption that maybe this framework could appear in some homosexual charts. But using it in a random straight chart to "check" for homosexuality would be meaningless — because this combination simply does not show or predict homosexuality or sexual orientation. And whenever you mentioned it in the past, it was just an assumption.

I also got confused earlier when we you mentioned the idea that “what is weak, we seek outside,” and how that was being connected to homosexuality. With all respect, I honestly think that’s inaccurate.

For example, the Saturn-Sun combination could simply show:

  • Lower self-confidence

  • Insecurity in expressing ego or identity

  • A critical or distant relationship with the father

  • Physical weakness or emotional vulnerability

  • Fear of failure or authority pressure

These could be seen as “less expressed” masculine traits — but that does not make someone “less of a man.” The person may be just as male as anyone else — they might just carry a quieter or more internalized version of those traits.

And even when the masculine side is weak, it doesn’t mean the person “seeks it in others". I’ve seen examples of people with this exact Sun-Saturn-10th combination. One person I know was overweight and not physically strong, also an emotional person. Over time, he became passionate about building those qualities within himself, precisely because he felt he was lacking them.

He began going to the gym, training intensely, and actively working on his emotional development. Although he remains overweight, he's deeply committed to self-improvement. Due to significant family responsibilities, he hasn’t been able to maintain full consistency in building strength, but he continues to pursue it regularly — not something he’s seeking those traits in others - he’s determined to develop them within himself.

It’s the same with someone who lacks confidence — they usually try to develop it, not look for it in others. Or someone born into poverty — they don’t chase others for wealth, they become motivated - fueled by a fire within them to earn it themselves.

I now completely understand what you’ve always meant, and I truly appreciate the clarity — I feel I’ve found my answer and won’t take up any more of your time or bother you further.

The Sun-Saturn-10th house combination does not mean someone is homosexual. You simply mean is - you might see it in few homosexual charts — that’s just a possible pattern — using it in a random straight chart to "check" for homosexuality would be meaningless — because this combination simply does not show or predict homosexuality or sexual orientation. In the chart of a straight person, it means nothing about homosexuality. This framework can show up in anyone, and it can manifest in many different ways completely unrelated to homosexuality.

Thank you.

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