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AgnesBarna
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Hello Ernst and All,

Do you have any suggestion what useful advice can be given to people with bhandana yoga (jaimini kemadruma yoga)? You cannot just say "you are stuck, you will be, and will always feel to be"? You just ask them to accept what is, that is all?

How can we provide some hope and some ray of light to people with this combination?

Thanks a lot in advance.

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Angela
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Hi Agnes,

I asked a similar question a while ago about what do if you see something really negative in a person's chart that is indicated by Jaimini principles (post not public anymore).

A lot of people responded and the general consensus by forum members seemed to be to focus on the part the person can influence (their Lajitaadi Avasthas) and help them work on their habits.

The basic gist of Ernst's responses has been:

As always whether you should predict the disease or not depends on the situation and its the astrologers job to be sensitive to the situation and act accordingly. We cannot have any hard or fast rules for what to say or not to say to a client.

Here's a link to the post with his response: https://astrology-videos.com/forum/jaimini-astrology/cancer#post-6328.

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Hi Agnes, I have a bhandana yoga with Rahu in 4th and Ketu in 10th and, personally, I would never tell a person that they're stuck and always will be. First, it's not that bad, second, only if the person raises issues about being stuck would I mention it (but I always speak in terms of how a particular configuration "may" affect xyz). In my case, that helped me understand certain patterns but I would be very careful "volunteering" that information. When it comes to the Kemadruma yoga, a good friend of mine has it and she's what I can call a very successful woman. Can she get stuck on some stuff that prevents her from being even more successful, yes, absolutely but, like Angela mentioned, nothing the Lajjitaadi Avasthas cannot see, answer and help. So, I would definitely focus on that, what the person can change and work on. Hope this helps!

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@mona 

As one astrologer told me, you can ALWAYS change your attitude. You may not be able to change external circumstances. It may be hard, but you can always change your attitude if you choose to. 

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@scott-m-19 That astrologer sounds like an 8 of Clubs.

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@scott-m-19 Reminds me of what my mentor once told me: you were born in the 70's, the era of disco music, wether you like it or not. Those are your circumstances, your fate, you cannot change that 😂

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the only thing we need to change is our inner selves through tackling the lajjitaadi avasthas. Our circumstances do not matter. Prison is the perfect place to do that, the best place to do that. 

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Would any and all 12th house places (ashrams, hospitals, etc.) be the perfect way to do that because it allows for deep contemplation and giving up old ideas? In other words, can a healthy 12th house help us change our Lajitaadi Avasthas?

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@angela-w  - the 12th house is a tricky house. It is a Moksha house. It is a house of trying to find freedom from all material concerns and pains, spiritual liberation. If one is in jail, one does not have to deal with daily pressures, and one has ample time to contemplate. It is where people can sit down, contemplate something and come out with a gem. When people are in jail, they have a lot of time to contemplate, to assess their lives and become a different person when they come out of jail. But that only happens to a few people that they could change their inner self.

You can do that through deep meditation, but i think you have to be on both the Dharma and Moksha path to accomplish this. If you are on the let's say the Kama path, you can meditate, but it is tough to be liberated from all your desires as that is your path. Just my humble opinion....

 

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Thank you for explaining 🙂 . Where would I find how to find which path I'm on? Is that in Parashara's Formula for Yoga Judgment class?

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@angela-w Yes it is in the Formula for Yoga Judgement course. I am really enjoying this long course. It is not a predictive course as for that you have to use other techniques. But this course along with the Yoga Character course, provide me with the knowledge to assess the background information of a chart such as the path the person is on, personality, character (strengths/weaknesses) which can be useful to guide people as there are different types of yogas to learn about. I have nephews and nieces who are in their late teen years, and i plan to use the information from this course to analyze their charts with the hope that i could provide a bit of guidance to them in their future...   

We all can't be on the Dharma path, but whatever path we are on, if we are aware of it, hopefully we could make the best of it in this life time

 

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@tuyetv 

Beautifully said! Thank you for recommending this course and sharing your experiences with me/us. I already had it on my "astrology to dos list", which seems to be growing longer and longer by the day. 

I haven't taken the course yet, but I found the question you asked Ernst very interesting. If the path of following one's desires is so painful, the paths of dharma and moksha are the only truly satisfying ones, and one who is one is on the kama path will fail in their efforts to act in accordance with ones own nature or achieving moksha, why would God allow them to be born, knowing they'll suffer? Maybe it's just part of a larger trajectory of having one lifetime to really drive home that following one's desires leads nowhere? I guess I'll have to find out once I take that course. 

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@angela-w  What i have learned from many of the courses that i have taken from Ernst is that we are born with a mission to perfect. Once we perfect that area of life, we go on to the next area, the next life. The Dharma path gives us the most happiness because we do what is innate in us. Happiness does not equate to wealth or fame because for that you have to have the yogas for wealth and fame. In my opinion, the key to success in this life time, no matter what path you are walking is to walk that path strongly. That is why i believe that knowing your path, your strength and weaknesses through yogas, focus and prioritize what is important to you could contribute to the success and happiness in your life. One bad yoga does not mean life is over. You really have to study and analyze the entire chart to grasp the basic foundation of a person. We can't control the path that we are born into, but we certain can control how we want direct our time and energy in selected items that we deem the most worthwhile.... 

 

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Yes, you have to have dharma yogas or else the moksha can't be freedom in any healthy sense of the word. A person in jail is free of a lot of mundane stress, a person on drugs is free for the moment, these are the unhealthy ways people experience the Moksha houses. 

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@ernst  if someone is lucky enough to have the dharma yogas that helped them to the healthy Moksha path, does that mean there is no more rebirth?

 

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