One more thing that comes to my mind is, the higher the dignity of Jupiter, the easier it may be to get proper guidance.
With Jupiter in Capricorn, we may feel frustrated with lack of guidance we receive.
Mu understand that jupiter has the strongest shad bala in the 1st house, the house of self, dharma. It is weakest in the 7th. 7th from cancer is Capricorn where it is debilitated
a debilitated jupiter lacks the inner wisdom to do what is right. They do things so they don’t get into trouble instead out of their inspirations. They feel luck is not in their favor. You know some people do all the homework, study real hard n get As but they don’t have that deep understanding. Others study just a little but they have that deep understanding of a topic. I think that is the difference between a jupiter in capricorn vs a jupiter in cancer
my father and 2 friends have exalted jupiter n I noticed even though they are not highly educated yet when u talk to them u would have thought otherwise. You sense the wisdom n life experience in them, the purpose…
tuyet
@tuyetv would you say debilitated Jupiter in 1st house gives better results than exalted Jupiter in 7th? How would DB Jupiter in 1st house behave?
@tieara7111 Hi, if you follow the British monarchy at all, Prince Harry is an example of someone who has db Jupiter in their 1st house.
@tieara7111 I just realized i never replied to your question. My apologies. People with Jupiter in the 1st house has strong Dig Bala directional strength. But if Jupiter is debilitated, they lack that sense of purpose of whatever they are doing. Kam mentioned Prince Harry and i was thinking of him too. I think all his life that sense of purpose is not quite there for him, and it appears he is still searching for it...
Personally, i would rather have an exalted Jupiter in the 7th House. The directional strength is weak and it will take longer to get there, but with the strong sense of purpose, I think the person will get there hopefully with the help of other planets such as the Sun... That Dig Bala course taught me there are other planets to help the weaker planet to move forward in life. Some people might be successful doing the work that they do, but at the end of the day, if they don't feel a sense of purpose doing it, then why do it...
I don't have a strong Sun, at least not in the Rasi, but i have a good Jupiter and that Jupiter pushes my Sun along. Yes, it takes me longer to get there but with a good sense of purpose, I eventually do get there...It is worth the wait for me!
tuyet
Thank you everyone for your input. Have you come across a chart where the person has made their Jupiter in Capricorn work on a higher level? How have they managed to do it?
For those of you who are well versed in the sutras, could you point me to the sutras (or copy and paste it here) where it is said that Jupiter is debilitated in Capricorn, please - either in Jaimini or Parashara.
Have you come across a chart where the person has made their Jupiter in Capricorn work on a higher level?
I am wondering how this can show in a chart. The chart only shows our fate, isn't it?
For example, I have Jupiter in Capricorn in my D10. I am thinking, even if I happen to raise my Jupiter consciousness by whatever means, it will never be shown by my chart, as it is locked into the time of my birth.
Having said that, being in close association with somebody who has a proud Jupiter (maybe even svashta) may help the Jupiter in Capricorn native to tune into Jupiter consciousness more and more. Ideally, this would be association with an enlightened spiritual guru with whom we can connect, but it can also be any of the peers who has a proud Jupiter. While a guru will lead from the front, with a peer we ourselves need to be motivated in this and follow their behaviors, thinking and decisions closely in day-to-day life, paying special attention to their Jupiter consciousness.
I always like to keep in my mind that, fate may not allow us to do the above, and we may need to solve some bad lajjitadivastha barriers even to start working with a spiritual guru or a peer/mentor.
Why I focus on freedom (free will/free won't) is, anything in our fate/chart, we don't even have to think about, it will happen anyway, we just need to use our freedom to script the 25% not written in the chart.
Regards,
Anand
What I meant to say was ‘to a higher degree’, as in where they have overcome their avasthas and overcome the depressive nature of that placement and got it working in their favour. I am sure ‘to a higher level’ could be seen in a chart, but I am not competent enough to analyze it yet.
I have Rahu with Jupiter in Capricorn, so I am trying to understand it as best as I can.
A person in my life has Jupiter in Capricorn with the 9th and 10th cusps attached to it. He's in his late 20's, and as far as I know, doesn't have any spiritual inclinations. He is however very much entrenched in the material world i.e spending money, venusian lifestyle, etc. which can be explained by other placements in his chart. One thing I have observed about him which may come from the Jupiter in Capricorn influence is that he doesn't have faith in other people's career choices and is pretty judgemental about money. For example, he recently had a conversation with me in which he was complaining about someone's career path and the fact that they're not motivated, "They've never taken the initiative to get a job. Every job they've ever gotten has been handed to them, which is very concerning!" One day, I'll have to muster up the energy to explain to him that it's a 4 of Diamonds birth card he's talking about, so that's just how it's going to be lol
Does he have any proud planet? Could his Sun have enough delight and thus be overcompensating, in terms of being judgemental, for some bad lajjitadivasthas?
@anand No proud planets. His Sun is conjunct Mercury in Taurus, and it receives delight only through the aspect of Jupiter. I think you're right about the overcompensation. There is also his Saturn, Mars, and Ketu conjunction in Aries, 12th from the Lagna. So Mars + Saturn affliction can be a culprit of not minding his own business, trouble with associates etc.
I see. This is the second time in the last few days I see someone mentioning a pattern dominant in me also!
I have Saturn Mars Ketu conjunction also, but it is in Gemini 9th house. I also have been judgmental of others motivations or lack there of.
But I know I always had deep respect for others and where they come from, and my judgments were mere observations relative to my own motivations and I never voiced them to anyone (except my wife ????).
I have a proud Sun in Aries, so I attributed my judging attitude to Sun overcompensating.
Now, over time, I do have developed a deeper appreciation for people the way they are and I feel my judging attitude has considerably improved (hope I am objective about this ????)
@anand I remember Ernst mentioning in one of his videos that people with a strong unafflicted Sun are very conscious of not hurting others by imposing their will upon them. And a proud Sun in Aries is someone who minds their own business, according to the Lajjitaadi Avasthas Masters course. So I think you're probably right about yourself 🙂
Debilitation is one aspect of a planet. If the spastha (shad) bala of the planet is more than required, then the planet becomes capable of doing its job anyways.
Also if friends uccha is delighting the Jupiter uccha sufficiently, then also there is a saving amid the difficulties of debilitated environment due to person adopting the right attitude