I share this video here, for those who want to understand Human design a bit better and start to dig into it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6rzWGhDoww
Hi! I'm a long time lurker and dabbler in astrology, human design and gene keys. For awhile I've been wanting to ask @ernst if he would make a Human Design chart calculator. My astrology chart using Ernst's calculations is completely different than even the Campanus House chart so I know my Human Design and Gene Key charts are also way off when I use the main stream calculators that are available on various sites.
Has anyone else experienced this? Were you able to figure out how to calculate your chart manually using Ernst's astrology calculator and figuring out your Gates, etc. without the use of one of the online human design calculators? If so, would you be willing to give me some pointers, instructions? Thank you!
You're HD chart shouldn't be different. Ernst uses the tropical zodiac, and the vast majority of HD charts are also calculated with the tropical zodiac. If you use mybodygraph.com, then it only does tropical. Genetic Matrix has a bunch of options where you can use sidereal, "true sidereal" with 13 signs, etc. but I think that is probably the only place where you can get non-tropical HD charts.
Most vedic chart calculators uses sidereal zodiac, but Ernst uses tropical, which is why that is different.
@josh Thanks for the reply but my tropical chart through Ernst is very different from any tropical chart I run on Astro.com using all the different House methods. Planets are in different houses. Astrology never made sense to me before I came across Ernst's calculations. For most others it seems to line up but for some reason, in my chart, and a few others charts I've seen, Campanus and Placidius houses Tropical system charts are completely different than the Tropical chart from Kala and Ernst's online calculator. I'm very familiar with the difference between Tropical and Sidereal and I'm not using Sidereal at all. I appreciate you bringing that up, but it's not the case here. 😀 I'm comparing Ernst's Tropical to Campanus, Placidius and other Tropical House systems and for my chart, Ernst's calculations and House placements are different and, I believe, more accurate.
I'm very curious about what is going on and would be interested to look more into it and help solve the issue, if you want (and if not, no problem). If you want, post your birth information; or, post a chart from astro.com, from vaultoftheheavens, and your HD chart; or email me if you want, humanhaven@substack.com.
One thing I'm curious about is that you mention house systems...but HD doesn't use any house system at all, so I'm not sure how that is relevant to what your HD chart would like?
@josh Thanks, Josh. That'd be great if you would take a look. Thank you! True, Human Design doesn't use House systems...I was only using the Houses to reference that my astrology charts are different using Kala versus traditional Tropical House systems. Because of that, I can only presume that the Gates are going to be off in Human Design but I'm not sure. I could be totally off based in that regard.
I'll gather up my charts and post them here soon so others can maybe learn/see the difference in them as well. I know Ernst goes over his calculations in one or more of his early classes. I'm pretty sure he said that even traditional Tropical calculations are not accurate...I can't remember if he said Campanus or Placidius was the closest (it didn't stick because both were still off in my chart so I didn't commit it to memory). I hope I'm not remembering all this incorrectly....it's been at least 6-7 years since I took his initial courses and I have menopause brain now (Swiss cheese). 🤣 😊
OK, I'm pretty sure this is what is happening:
Astro.com and most other places consider a house to be an area of space, so on both of those charts, the area from the 1st cusp to the 2nd cusp is the "1st house", the area between the 2nd and 3rd cusp is the "2nd house", etc.
Ernst uses Campanus, but he doesn't consider a house to be an area of space. He considers a cusp to a point in space. So the 1st cusp falls in Cancer at 26:01. The 1st cusp represents a concrete, existing thing, i.e., your physical body, and thus he considers the cusp to be just a point in space, not an area of space.
So we would say you have Venus, Sun and Mars conjunct in Gemini. They are all also conjunct the 12th cusp, which falls at 22:32 of Gemini (I put your chart into Kala and it shows the longitude of the cusps).
The cusps in the astro.com Campanus chart have the right placements...but Ernst doesn't consider them to take up that space; they are simply points in a sign. So he uses Campanus calculations, but sees them differently.
I'm attaching the correspondance list between the tropical zodiac and the I Ching wheel. So what you can do is look at the tropical placement of each planet, and then find what hexagram is should be in, then check your HD chart and it should be in the same place.
@josh Thank you!
I'm still having a hard time grasping why the Astro charts have the planets falling into Houses that are completely off by 1. Every other astrologer before Ernst has said " with your 3 planets in Gemini in your 11H, you're social, group oriented, etc." I knew that wasn't accurate. In the Kala chart, it clearly shows the 3 planets in Gemini in the 12H. The Astro charts are completely misleading and 'wrong' in what most people would see as the Houses my planets are falling in...it may be that the calculations are accurate but how they're depicting where the planets are w/in the Houses isn't correct and it gives a completely different view of my chart, I think. (if someone is reading what Houses the planets are in)
Maybe it's because I'm a visual person and I'm stuck on seeing that they put my Mars, Sun and Venus in Gemini in the 11H and I know they aren't?
Hopefully it won't apply to the iching gates for Human Design because there aren't any Houses.
Thank you for the iching pdf and for looking at the charts and giving me your insights. I really appreciate your time! I'll dig into the pdf and see what turns up.
@josh Thank you for the iching chart! It's lining up perfectly...phew! I was worried all the time I had spent learning my gates, etc. was in vain.
So it's only the House placements in other tropical calculators that are messing up my chart and as long as I only run charts through the Kala chart maker and not Astro.com, I can get an accurate read on the House system too. When I first got into astrology, I liked reading the short forecast in astro.com and it was always wrong because the House system was off for my chart. It was really frustrating.
I like using the Houses in addition to the gates in Human Design to give myself more info on what area of my life things are going to manifest in. (I'm not a professional so I don't look at other's charts too often).
Thank you for your help and giving me peace of mind!
@josh I do remember reading or listening to a video years ago about Ernst's calculations being different and that is what made me become a loyal follower of his. Before that all my Tropical charts didn't ring true but as soon as I used Ernst's calculations, it was a true AH HA moment...all my houses moved over by one and he's the only Astrologer I listen to now because I feel his calculations are the most accurate.
@josh Here is my Placidus astro.com chart. Thank you for sharing your insights with me! I have to upload each chart separately.
I’m happy to join. I’ve studied a little under Levi Cosijn who is a wonderful teacher in this area.
I’m a 1/3 Generator. Right angle cross of vessel of love (self and collective love)
We have a study group going for a while that's not specifically about HD, although we do talk about it from time to time. It's an astro study group, which meets every Wednesday for a couple of hours. We talk about all the things astrology related and beyond - a good group of researchers are gathering. Please feel free to join should you want to gather with others to talk about HD, astrology, Adityas etc.
I thought I would have the time/energy to start one that's focused solely on researching HD, but I haven't had the time or energy to do that. But I'm offering that anyone on this thread that wants to join the astro study group that we already have established will also join. At the end of the day, it's all about sharing experiences with each other and searching for truth in the midst of the chaos.