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Dr. Rajan
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Posted by: @mona

you have the inner resources to deal with it

Mona

Can you elaborate on that. Are you talking about emotional strength? I vaguely remember Ernst mentioning 2-8 being a tough axis for RA-KE.

I was recently looking at a chart with Sun plus Rahu in 8th. Person is struggling big time in understanding what to do in life (Rahu impact on Sun), inspite of being well qualified. It's the 8th house impact I'm not clearly able to see though.

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@rajan

Actually, these are my notes about Rahu in the 8th:

Rahu in the 8th, not attracting people that have value to them. Main reason is because Ketu is so much into self-sufficiency that they feel threatened by the valuable things other people have to offer. For example, they need to get a loan or borrow money from others, they cringe inside. Extreme behavior. 

So this person may think she is so self sufficient that she doesn’t need other people’s money or resources (like finding a job or career that depends on that).

The second house being our resources (inner and outer), with Ketu there, being never satisfied, never good enough, the person at an unconscious level, doesn’t  feel worthy and as a result doesn’t attract worthy people in their life, instead people who break their trust so that they realize the work is to trust themselves unconditionally. So I would definitely say inner resources are at all levels, psychological/emotionally, physical/material, spiritual

Have actually started working on a chart today with Moon/Ketu in 2nd and Rahu/Saturn in the 8th. Nice timing! 🙂 I know she’s an artist at heart and tries to instill it in everything that she does but i feel like she spends too much time being involved in her husband’s restaurant business (and from what I gather, he’s a bit of a macho type for lack of a better word...) and real estate (where she felt betrayed a couple times by friends who said they wanted to work with her and in the end hired another broker, that type of thing). She also told me she’s doing real estate to be independent from her husband’s money. I’ll let you know her feedback after I do her reading.

Hope that clarifies. I think it’s a strong trust axis. Rahu will show you where you don’t trust yourself by bringing up trust issues in your relationship with others.

One last thought: when it comes to career stuff, I wonder if Rahu in the 8th doesn’t make people very attracted to the occult but afraid of it at the same time. Maybe an avenue to consider with this person. 

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Dr. Rajan
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@mona

Thanks for clarifying Mona. So what would be advisable: To trust one's own resources (2nd Ketu) and at the same time be open to accept resources/help of others (developing 8th Rahu) or maybe even help others develop their resources

Will be interesting to note that chart discussion. Rahu + Saturn in 8th will pose additional challenge of developing patience and focus in the house of others' resources and worth.

Interest in occult for Rahu in 8th seems quite logical. Yes fear might be there.. But I guess if we go by dictum of the need to develop the areas of Rahu house placement, this could be explored.

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@rajan yes you beautifully summarized it. And thanks for the added insights re: Saturn! Very helpful:)

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@mona That sounds like me 🙂 Until probably a few months ago, I have minimally asked for support/help, especially if it's money, forget it. I'd cringe inside, feel that my capability would come into question, and sometimes even the fear of rejection, which would, in turn, mean, someone questioning my capability. 

However, that mindset is slowly changing. I am seeking out, building relationships, and asking people for guidance. For e.g. I am looking for career opportunities and I am getting more leads from my network circle than I could have obtained myself. 

Isn't the process of building our inner resources counterintuitive to the 8th house agenda though? If I am going to spend more time building my inner resources, I will seek less help from others or accept any gifts/money from others, and that works against Rahu's goals of moving to the 8th. 

At what point in your life would building your inner resources be enough and the push to start seeking and accepting support from others (and trusting them)? I am 35-36 years old.  

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@arjstere that’s great to hear, heading towards your Rahu maturation early:) re: your question @rajan said it really well above. It’s not either/or, it’s both. Mostly because the outer is a reflection of the inner: the more you trust yourself and develop inner resources, the more you will attract people that are trustworthy and resourceful. That’s the way I understand this 2/8 dynamic (and how Rahu/Ketu function in general). Hope that helps!

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@mona Seems like you can read my mind 🙂 Towards the end of last year/beginning of this year, though I am going through some psychologically testing times, I am working with a resolve to solidly focus on building my inner resources and trust myself more i.e. believe in myself and ascertain my worth whilst simultaneously loosening up on my Ketu/Moon/Saturn conjunction and seeking that help. I do sense a major shift that is transforming me inside out. 

Thank you for all your inputs and insights! 

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@mona Seems like you can read my mind 🙂 Towards the end of last year/beginning of this year, though I am going through some psychologically testing times, I am working with a resolve to solidly focus on building my inner resources and trust myself more i.e. believe in myself and ascertain my worth whilst simultaneously loosening up on my Ketu/Moon/Saturn conjunction and seeking that help. I do sense a major shift that is transforming me inside out. 

Thank you for all your inputs and insights! 

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@arjstere HI!

My mum has KE+SA2nd/RA8th with a Scorp SU/VE/ME in 4th (might be a bit similar).

She s 70 and lately, she loudly proclaimed "I came to the conclusion that I do not even need money, what do I even need that for!" 🙂

She does not expect anything from anyone anymore, she started to be over-generous, tolerant, and forgiving, especially when her grandchild was born, out of love.

Then she realized how she started getting back and started practicing the same with everybody else.

I think she realized that control stresses her out and in case she gets screwed the other party is the one to be accredited the karmic minus points, loses more than she would lose in terms of her own assets.

When she was your age she was super controlling, tight, to the point, keeping accountability of anything coming in or out. She studied economy & maths, a complete nerd, noticing even if 10th position after zero was wrong. Still, nothing escapes her attention, but the way she goes about it now is different.

Hope it helps to draw some parallels.

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@sandyacc Nice story. If her 4th is in Scorpio, her 2nd is in Virgo, right? Virgo is the sign of service to others. When functioning properly, a very devotional sign, very heart-centered approach to servicing others. And, through her Rahu in Pisces, a very compassionate sign, she could bring that into her Ketu Virgo castle (the controlling part can also come from Virgo's perfectionism, with a little help from Saturn;)

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@mona Hi, yesyes, it is Leo lagna and so on. I tried to keep it general- in her case, you are right, it is the Mercury-Jupiter Axis.

Yes, compassionate though in a controlling way. Her last job was in controlling for a charity-funded children's online radio network- Jup in Aqua(7th)right across the street from her place(4th).

I think analysis and control are traits that both-VIR & SCORP do share.

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@sandyacc Thank you for sharing your story. I can relate to the idea of letting go of control and trust in the process of nature.

It is really great to hear that she does not get bothered when someone screws her over - it is another person's karma.

I am slowly taking revenge out of my subconscious equation, no time for that and wasted resources. I leave things to the universe - I am starting to rather be more aware and transform any weak spots. 

 

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@arjstere you said it - TIME. That s how I see confirmed how great and ruthless "KE/SA in 2nd" people are in terms of setting personal boundaries.

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@sandyacc That must have been a very tough journey; Ketu in 8th and Ra in 4th house and Scorpio. The relief must be huge!

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@mona I am curious about the feedback of the chart you started working with Moon/Ketu on the 2nd and Rahu/Saturn on the 8th. Anything you can share with us? 

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@arjstere The feedback I had was "spot on". And "still need to absorb the information" (FYI I send a video recording and offer a follow-up Zoom session, she may reach out for the follow-up but I haven't spoken with her yet). With that being said, what I brought up was also very sign-based. In her case, Ketu in Pisces and Rahu in Virgo. So I talked about the signs quite a bit with the risk of escaping (Pisces) instead of dealing with problems head on (Virgo), and of keeping her art / creativity only as an escape mechanism rather than putting it out there in the world as a service to others (Virgo). With Saturn there, a need for self-discipline, patience and perseverance in earthly matters. With the 8th cusp there too, letting go of "all men or women are an island" (2nd house) and being more open to help from others and building up self-worth/confidence to allow for the sharing of her gifts and trusting others (actually she also mentioned that part particularly resonated with her). In a nutshell. Also, to keep in mind, she is a very "free spirited"/imaginative/creative person: Sun in Sagittarius, Aquarius ascendant and Moon in Pisces.  So, I read Rahu and Ketu in that context. She's not conventional but live in a rather conventional environment, also working in real estate and quite involved with the art community at the same time (very busy, she's a Jack of Clubs like myself, we can be involved in multiple projects at the same time, we do terrible in routine-based type of work). So, in a way, I think she's on the right track as long as she follows her inspiration and doesn't involve herself in projects just for the sake of being independent from her husband or to please others (Pluto in Libra as well). When it comes to real estate, if this fits her bill, I recommended she works with foreigners or sells atypical houses. A good compromise to keep her artistic fire going while being practical and of service to others at the same time. 

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@mona That sounds fantastic. Really love how you go about your readings and gauge the energies of the chart. Thank you for sharing in such detail

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@mona “all men/women are an island “ is an 8th house thing?  I can also see the parallels through this whole thread with Saturn being like rahu in a house.  I have Saturn in the second in sag. Moon in 8th.  Often trying to improve my self-confidence/awareness.  Often feel like I’m in my own island.  No real friends, just acquaintances, distant friends.  With a lot of my planets in the 4th, I usually am focused on family and home, feel comfortable there.  That’s what supports me, emotionally too, at this point in my life anyways.  They are the ones who help lift my value of myself as well.  Soon I’ll be moving into Saturn dasa and I’ll see what that does for my second house and Moon.  
so grateful for how much you put out on this forum, I’ve learned so much from your conversations!

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@valen You're welcome! Thanks for your kind words. I've actually learned about those spiritual clichés in a great presentation by one of Ryan Kurczak's students: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qEwh2G_Wgs&t=2340s

At minute 45:38, she talks about the Ketu in 2/Rahu in 8. That's a quick and sweet overview

And, of course, Ernst's Rahu/Ketu courses are really great to go deeper.

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@mona wow!  Thank you for sharing.  I really enjoyed that!

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One of the things we attribute to Saturn, to my understanding, is nature connection. My guess is like it´s your Ketu activating it; just like a Jupiter/Ketu connection is a sign for astrology.

The only other connection I can think of seems a little vague; it´s your AK:s Lord Mercury conjunct Saturn. But again: I think it´s Ketu giving you this knack - memories from passed life probably - making it easy for you to connect to nature. Just don´t trust too much on my verdict, I´m not far from being a newbie.

Mattias

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These are my notes on the 8th house from the Natural Relationships of the Grahas video.

-8th house is your longevity first of all, it also has to do with second homes and things like that. And both of these have to do with one's emotional security. The 8th house is actually your emotional strength and your emotional security. So this is sort of an anchoring, grounding, house.

-The 8th house grounds you in the body and gives you longevity and grounds you with strong emotional security.

Hope they help 🙂

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