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Rhiannon
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Hi Ernst, 

Just listening to the Saturn starving Moon video in the new course. You say this is the most painful conjunction there is especially in regards to early trauma. I remember you also say Rahu conjunct Saturn is really bad but it is more about fear and causing addictions.

Are there big differences between the two different conjunctions, or are they pretty similar? I grew up in a traumatic home with both an older and younger sister. They both have Saturn conjunct the Moon. I have Rahu conjunct Saturn. I am the only one who has healed my trauma. Just an interesting observation.  

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Ernst Wilhelm
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Saturn with rahu makes it very hard to deal wtih rahu fears, rahu is SO scary when with saturn. but thats not trauma. Saturn Moon, thats trauma. 

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@ernst

For example, if Saturn is with Rahu in 9th, does it mean it is too scary to be counselled? or too scary to understand spiritual concepts or involve in dharma? Or does it have anything to do with parents/upbringing? or commitment to marriage, perhaps?  

What do we need to see in navamsha to understand Saturn/Rahu in 9th better and distinguish between above scenarios?

Could you please explain?

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Rhiannon
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@anand

I too wonder if the fears are specifically related to the house/cusp Rahu is in or closest to. 

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@ernst

Hi Ernst,

Any comments?

Regards,

Anand

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Rhiannon
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@ernst Thanks for clarifying! This gives me a much better understanding.

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@ernst What about Saturn aspecting the Moon let's say at 59 points. is that the same as Saturn Moon conjunction trauma or is conjunction stronger? Moon in Leo and Saturn in Acquarius for example...

Thx!

 

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Rhiannon
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@tuyetv He says in the course that conjunction is always the strongest and takes the cake, but aspect is also important, just not as strong as conjunction.

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@rhiannon yes that is what i remembered too that ermst was saying a strong planetary aspect like 59 or 60 is just almost as bad as a conjunction. I don't have Saturn Moon conjunction but i have a strong planetary aspect Saturn Moon 59, and i can tell you i worry about everything and anything. However, as i get older with self confidence and just good old maturity, that has become a lot less. So a strong planetary aspect is definitely important....

 

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@tuyetv

Also, if you are only talking about Lajjitaadi Avastha, then Saturn won't affect Moon by aspect since it's neutral towards Moon. 

The Moom through will starve Saturn through aspect creating emotional focus on the lacks of life. 

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@rajan  I am talking about planetary aspect.... Thx

 

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@tuyetv

Ya, effects of planetary aspects are seen through Lajjitaadi Avastha system,which primarily depends on the natural relationships between planets.

Since Saturn is not inimical to Moon, it won't affect Moon through aspect. But Saturn starves any planet conjunct with it, irrespective of the relation.

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Saturn-Moon conjunction is more severe, as not only Moon starves Saturn, but Saturn also starves Moon. (As you know Saturn starves all 0lanets when he conjuncts it.) Moon has no enemies, so Moon cannot be starved by planetary aspect, "only" Saturn is starved by Moon.

Saturn-Moon conjuncion is trauma, mostly abuse.

Moon starving Saturn via planetery aspect means issues with connecting with people. Either by being too cold, so rejecting any kind of deeper connection, or being way too much lovesick, and getting involved in all kinds of affairs, just to soothe the constant need to be touched and loved (unconsciously).

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*Interesting and synchronistic*

As I read/write this there are 3 men playing music together in the house.

1) Virgo Lagna - Saturn/Moon conjunction in Scorpio. AK = Moon

2) Gemini Lagna - Rahu/Moon conjunct in Scorpio. AK = Venus

3) Gemini Lagna - Saturn in 1st with Moon in Virgo. AK = Mercury

(1) Saturn/Moon in Scorpio 3rd house is "thirsty", I asked him about depression and he states that he isn't. He has an EX Jupiter in Cancer 11th house joined Ketu that aspects both Moon/Saturn, I've wondered if it only being thirsty and Jupiter aspecting is helping? However, he mentioned that his father was a "very hard TOUGH man", so I can assume that might indicate some violent/harsh discipline. He is well beyond Rahu/Ketu maturation maybe has worked through most of it. 

(2) Rahu/Moon not mentioned but I know a few of these, and there is "something different" about them. And can sometimes be similar depending on other parts of the chart.

(3) Has a very tight degree aspect between Moon/Saturn shared Lord, Lagna Lord and AK all being Mercury.  I recall that Ernst mentioned in the cards course and or Lajjitadi course that sometimes the shared Lord can cause similar to conjunction. The Moon/Saturn starvation is "mild" at 16 pts.  In this situation I can say he is in emotional agony, has been severely depressed most of his life starting at around 12 years of age. No actual trauma that he recalls, and non-violent parents so it's hard to determine from the material events that occurred in his life. *There is a hard Starvation to Saturn from Mars 47 pts, that doesn't help the situation. 

LT

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